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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:51 am



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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:52 am

As a result I wish to request the following position changes:

D.J. Reader to DE
I plan on rotating Reader with Ayers depending on situation and run pass tendencies of my opponents.

Jadeveon Clowney to DE

Zach Cunningham to OLB

Dylan Cole to OLB

Ben Heeney to OLB

Peter Kalambayi to MLB
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:54 am

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by Mattanite on Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:33 am

My initial thoughts is that Reader is a DT in both schemes, especially if Ayers is a DE in both schemes.

In my opinion a hybrid set up should set up with each half complimenting, so if Watt is a LE in both schemes then Merciless goes back to LOLB as a pass rushing olb and the 43 olb set up over the speed rush side, with Clowney at RE, that's the ROLB for Heeney/Cunningham etc

Also every position in roster view should ideally be filled with a starter and not stacked up to avoid scheme stacking. That's basically Reader at DT with the drop off at DT and having 4 players over 80ovr at DE.

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by brza37 on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:03 pm

@dwevans you have to set positions according to the scheme you choose in Madden. So either multiple 4-3 or multiple 3-4. A combination of 4-3 position for Clowney and 3-4 position for Reader isn't allowed. So please let us know which multiple scheme you're using and the positions can be set accordingly. Starters' positions should also be set to the ones they have in the depth chart.

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:13 pm

Huh?
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:14 pm

People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?

Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:20 pm

@Mattanite wrote:My initial thoughts is that Reader is a DT in both schemes, especially if Ayers is a DE in both schemes.

In my opinion a hybrid set up should set up with each half complimenting, so if Watt is a LE in both schemes then Merciless goes back to LOLB as a pass rushing olb and the 43 olb set up over the speed rush side, with Clowney at RE, that's the ROLB for Heeney/Cunningham etc

Also every position in roster view should ideally be filled with a starter and not stacked up to avoid scheme stacking. That's basically Reader at DT with the drop off at DT and having 4 players over 80ovr at DE.

Again...huh?
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by brza37 on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:33 pm

@dwevans wrote:People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?

Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
People should not be changing positions until posted and approved. Positions shouldn't be changed multiple times in a season let alone on a weekly basis. So changing schemes weekly for training bonuses shouldn't be a thing either. Its just gaming the XP system.

Selecting multiple 43 or 34 and setting positions according to that is pretty simple.

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:37 pm

But i don't see why i should set based on a single formation. Some players will only play in 3-4 and some only in 4-3. Thats the idea of a Hybrid

I also don't plan on changing positions through the season


P.S. If left to right isn't an issue then is it really a big deal to stack some in one side because that side is power rusher and the other run stopper? I am still meeting minimum requirements at all positions.
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:17 pm

I guess take all current positions as 3-4 if you want to go about it that way. It is worth noting that Ravens haven't had to post all changes from changing scheme, so some inconsistency there

Obviously Clowney has flexibility to move back and forth in front 7 and so does Reader, but all are suitable for their assigned positions in a 3-4
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by Mattanite on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:51 pm

So as two different examples, the SB Seahawks 43 hybrid scheme and a "what if" I ran a 34 hybrid. 

The seahawks had Avril at speed RE who was complimented by Irvin at Leo LOLB, that set the look as a 5 man front in 43under. When not in under, power/run LE Bennett went from the 5tech to the 7 (like a 43 DE). Wagner and Wright always played gap control as ROLB and MLB in the second level, supported in the box by Bambam Kam. This gave the option to run a 34 look out of the 43, formation subs used if you go from 43under to over. They had 2 DTs also.

If I went to a 34 hybrid (which is harder to pull off imo) I'd have Suh and Brockers at RE and DT, with my speed rusher at ROLB, so when I shade the DL to the LE, Donald is lined up at the 6, then shade my lbs to my ROLB so LOLB Ebukam drops back to the second level. This gives a 43 base look in a 34, formation subs used to flip to under. 

Either way I've set up my D or the seahawks D as a standard roster with starters spread to assigned roles, then formation sub and on field audible to give the look I want. So to clarify my two points, you need a starter at DT and to pick your base scheme in which you can hybridise. Your roster should compliment the scheme (eg rush olb over run DE). Otherwise you have Merciless lined up outside Clowney in a 43over, which had issues with non sim hybrids in the past... Which resulted in the whole scheme hybrid declaration rule. Hope that's clearer.

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:58 pm

Its not
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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:59 pm

Just tell me what players I can and can't move please
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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by Mattanite on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:04 pm

Fine, no to Reader at DE, 
No to Merciless at ROLB if yes to Clowney at RE, 
Yes to Cunningham/Heeney/Cole at ROLB if Merciless at LOLB and Watt at LE.
Yes to Kal at MLB. 

This way you're set up like the SB Seahawks in running a multiple 43.

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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:06 pm

I feel like all this is completely overcomplicating things. You don't approve or decline position changes dependant on who is listed at that or other position in any other scenarios so why is this being implemented here?
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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:07 pm

Why can't i play Mercilus at OLB and Clowney at end on the same side? lol Jesus. So this isn't allowed but a huge trade within a division is.
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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:11 pm




All of these left ends are a similar size to Reader. There are another two REs. 

I have 3 other suitable nose tackles.
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Post by Mattanite on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:20 pm

You just asked for clarification without explanation. What I've suggested meets what I tried explaining which is no to Reader as it just looks like scheme stacking when the drop off at DT is high. 

LE Watt, Covington 
DT Reader and everyone else 
RE Clowney, Ayers
LOLB Merciless 
MLB Mckinney, Kal
ROLB Cunningham, Cole, Heeney

That's a 43 hybrid setup I tried explaining using the Seahawks, I'm not trying to prescribe your scheme or roster movements but I'm running out of ways to explain my point which is when the hybrid declaration rule was made it was to stop speed DEs lining up at DT with another speed rusher at olb same side.

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Post by Mattanite on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:21 pm

Plus I'm only one vote, I've essentially said yes to 90% of your requests and you didn't list Merciless originally so I brought it up to highlight that move.

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Post by LTown27ers on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:24 pm

Will have a look tonight

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Post by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:26 pm

I'm running a hybrid. Not a 4-3 with some hybridisation or a 3-4 with some hybridisation. A pure hybrid. I will rotate personnel a lot like i have done with Panthers last year in SML and Pats in VGFL.

I have already stated to vote on whether these are suitable as a 3-4 base - which they all are. But that is only at Brza's request. Please just vote on the players and not base the votes dependant on who else is playing in another position or however many other factors you are trying to factor in which is extremely over confusing the situation.

None of these requests are unsim or inconsistent with players you find on the base roster. How i use those players after that is up to me.

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Re: Texans Hybrid

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Re: Texans Hybrid

Post by FraserOliver17 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:49 am

@dwevans wrote:People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?

Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
I emphatically won't be changing schemes for training...just an fyi. Seems a lot of effort. I like my scheme and how it fits

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Post by FraserOliver17 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:00 am

Incidentally, I am now a 34, but in a nickel formation it has a 43 front look with the nose coming out, the 2 DEs move to DT and my OLBs play as DEs. Is this not close enough to a hybrid?
Just use formation subs and a hybrid playbook to suit your needs? dont need to have all the planets aligned

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