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Texans Hybrid
Hybrid Scheme Depth Chart:
3-4:
NT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins
DE: J.J. Watt, D.J. Reader, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Dylan Cole, Duke Ejiofor, Jadeveon Clowney
MLB: Zach Cunningham, Benardrick McKinney, Peter Kalambayi, Ben Heeney
4-3:
DT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins, D.J. Reader,
DE: J.J. Watt, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr, Jadeveon Clowney, Duke Ejiofor
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Zach Cunningham, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole, Benardrick McKinney
3-4:
NT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins
DE: J.J. Watt, D.J. Reader, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Dylan Cole, Duke Ejiofor, Jadeveon Clowney
MLB: Zach Cunningham, Benardrick McKinney, Peter Kalambayi, Ben Heeney
4-3:
DT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins, D.J. Reader,
DE: J.J. Watt, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr, Jadeveon Clowney, Duke Ejiofor
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Zach Cunningham, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole, Benardrick McKinney
Last edited by dwevans on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:56 am; edited 1 time in total
dwevans- All-Madden
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Re: Texans Hybrid
As a result I wish to request the following position changes:
D.J. Reader to DE
I plan on rotating Reader with Ayers depending on situation and run pass tendencies of my opponents.
Jadeveon Clowney to DE
Zach Cunningham to OLB
Dylan Cole to OLB
Ben Heeney to OLB
Peter Kalambayi to MLB
D.J. Reader to DE
I plan on rotating Reader with Ayers depending on situation and run pass tendencies of my opponents.
Jadeveon Clowney to DE
Zach Cunningham to OLB
Dylan Cole to OLB
Ben Heeney to OLB
Peter Kalambayi to MLB
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Re: Texans Hybrid
My initial thoughts is that Reader is a DT in both schemes, especially if Ayers is a DE in both schemes.
In my opinion a hybrid set up should set up with each half complimenting, so if Watt is a LE in both schemes then Merciless goes back to LOLB as a pass rushing olb and the 43 olb set up over the speed rush side, with Clowney at RE, that's the ROLB for Heeney/Cunningham etc
Also every position in roster view should ideally be filled with a starter and not stacked up to avoid scheme stacking. That's basically Reader at DT with the drop off at DT and having 4 players over 80ovr at DE.
In my opinion a hybrid set up should set up with each half complimenting, so if Watt is a LE in both schemes then Merciless goes back to LOLB as a pass rushing olb and the 43 olb set up over the speed rush side, with Clowney at RE, that's the ROLB for Heeney/Cunningham etc
Also every position in roster view should ideally be filled with a starter and not stacked up to avoid scheme stacking. That's basically Reader at DT with the drop off at DT and having 4 players over 80ovr at DE.
Re: Texans Hybrid
@dwevans you have to set positions according to the scheme you choose in Madden. So either multiple 4-3 or multiple 3-4. A combination of 4-3 position for Clowney and 3-4 position for Reader isn't allowed. So please let us know which multiple scheme you're using and the positions can be set accordingly. Starters' positions should also be set to the ones they have in the depth chart.
Re: Texans Hybrid
People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?
Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
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Re: Texans Hybrid
Mattanite wrote:My initial thoughts is that Reader is a DT in both schemes, especially if Ayers is a DE in both schemes.
In my opinion a hybrid set up should set up with each half complimenting, so if Watt is a LE in both schemes then Merciless goes back to LOLB as a pass rushing olb and the 43 olb set up over the speed rush side, with Clowney at RE, that's the ROLB for Heeney/Cunningham etc
Also every position in roster view should ideally be filled with a starter and not stacked up to avoid scheme stacking. That's basically Reader at DT with the drop off at DT and having 4 players over 80ovr at DE.
Again...huh?
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Re: Texans Hybrid
People should not be changing positions until posted and approved. Positions shouldn't be changed multiple times in a season let alone on a weekly basis. So changing schemes weekly for training bonuses shouldn't be a thing either. Its just gaming the XP system.dwevans wrote:People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?
Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
Selecting multiple 43 or 34 and setting positions according to that is pretty simple.
Re: Texans Hybrid
But i don't see why i should set based on a single formation. Some players will only play in 3-4 and some only in 4-3. Thats the idea of a Hybrid
I also don't plan on changing positions through the season
P.S. If left to right isn't an issue then is it really a big deal to stack some in one side because that side is power rusher and the other run stopper? I am still meeting minimum requirements at all positions.
I also don't plan on changing positions through the season
P.S. If left to right isn't an issue then is it really a big deal to stack some in one side because that side is power rusher and the other run stopper? I am still meeting minimum requirements at all positions.
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Re: Texans Hybrid
I guess take all current positions as 3-4 if you want to go about it that way. It is worth noting that Ravens haven't had to post all changes from changing scheme, so some inconsistency there
Obviously Clowney has flexibility to move back and forth in front 7 and so does Reader, but all are suitable for their assigned positions in a 3-4
Obviously Clowney has flexibility to move back and forth in front 7 and so does Reader, but all are suitable for their assigned positions in a 3-4
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Re: Texans Hybrid
So as two different examples, the SB Seahawks 43 hybrid scheme and a "what if" I ran a 34 hybrid.
The seahawks had Avril at speed RE who was complimented by Irvin at Leo LOLB, that set the look as a 5 man front in 43under. When not in under, power/run LE Bennett went from the 5tech to the 7 (like a 43 DE). Wagner and Wright always played gap control as ROLB and MLB in the second level, supported in the box by Bambam Kam. This gave the option to run a 34 look out of the 43, formation subs used if you go from 43under to over. They had 2 DTs also.
If I went to a 34 hybrid (which is harder to pull off imo) I'd have Suh and Brockers at RE and DT, with my speed rusher at ROLB, so when I shade the DL to the LE, Donald is lined up at the 6, then shade my lbs to my ROLB so LOLB Ebukam drops back to the second level. This gives a 43 base look in a 34, formation subs used to flip to under.
Either way I've set up my D or the seahawks D as a standard roster with starters spread to assigned roles, then formation sub and on field audible to give the look I want. So to clarify my two points, you need a starter at DT and to pick your base scheme in which you can hybridise. Your roster should compliment the scheme (eg rush olb over run DE). Otherwise you have Merciless lined up outside Clowney in a 43over, which had issues with non sim hybrids in the past... Which resulted in the whole scheme hybrid declaration rule. Hope that's clearer.
The seahawks had Avril at speed RE who was complimented by Irvin at Leo LOLB, that set the look as a 5 man front in 43under. When not in under, power/run LE Bennett went from the 5tech to the 7 (like a 43 DE). Wagner and Wright always played gap control as ROLB and MLB in the second level, supported in the box by Bambam Kam. This gave the option to run a 34 look out of the 43, formation subs used if you go from 43under to over. They had 2 DTs also.
If I went to a 34 hybrid (which is harder to pull off imo) I'd have Suh and Brockers at RE and DT, with my speed rusher at ROLB, so when I shade the DL to the LE, Donald is lined up at the 6, then shade my lbs to my ROLB so LOLB Ebukam drops back to the second level. This gives a 43 base look in a 34, formation subs used to flip to under.
Either way I've set up my D or the seahawks D as a standard roster with starters spread to assigned roles, then formation sub and on field audible to give the look I want. So to clarify my two points, you need a starter at DT and to pick your base scheme in which you can hybridise. Your roster should compliment the scheme (eg rush olb over run DE). Otherwise you have Merciless lined up outside Clowney in a 43over, which had issues with non sim hybrids in the past... Which resulted in the whole scheme hybrid declaration rule. Hope that's clearer.
Re: Texans Hybrid
Just tell me what players I can and can't move please
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Re: Texans Hybrid
Fine, no to Reader at DE,
No to Merciless at ROLB if yes to Clowney at RE,
Yes to Cunningham/Heeney/Cole at ROLB if Merciless at LOLB and Watt at LE.
Yes to Kal at MLB.
This way you're set up like the SB Seahawks in running a multiple 43.
No to Merciless at ROLB if yes to Clowney at RE,
Yes to Cunningham/Heeney/Cole at ROLB if Merciless at LOLB and Watt at LE.
Yes to Kal at MLB.
This way you're set up like the SB Seahawks in running a multiple 43.
Re: Texans Hybrid
I feel like all this is completely overcomplicating things. You don't approve or decline position changes dependant on who is listed at that or other position in any other scenarios so why is this being implemented here?
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Re: Texans Hybrid
Why can't i play Mercilus at OLB and Clowney at end on the same side? lol Jesus. So this isn't allowed but a huge trade within a division is.
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You just asked for clarification without explanation. What I've suggested meets what I tried explaining which is no to Reader as it just looks like scheme stacking when the drop off at DT is high.
LE Watt, Covington
DT Reader and everyone else
RE Clowney, Ayers
LOLB Merciless
MLB Mckinney, Kal
ROLB Cunningham, Cole, Heeney
That's a 43 hybrid setup I tried explaining using the Seahawks, I'm not trying to prescribe your scheme or roster movements but I'm running out of ways to explain my point which is when the hybrid declaration rule was made it was to stop speed DEs lining up at DT with another speed rusher at olb same side.
LE Watt, Covington
DT Reader and everyone else
RE Clowney, Ayers
LOLB Merciless
MLB Mckinney, Kal
ROLB Cunningham, Cole, Heeney
That's a 43 hybrid setup I tried explaining using the Seahawks, I'm not trying to prescribe your scheme or roster movements but I'm running out of ways to explain my point which is when the hybrid declaration rule was made it was to stop speed DEs lining up at DT with another speed rusher at olb same side.
Re: Texans Hybrid
Plus I'm only one vote, I've essentially said yes to 90% of your requests and you didn't list Merciless originally so I brought it up to highlight that move.
Re: Texans Hybrid
Will have a look tonight
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Re: Texans Hybrid
I'm running a hybrid. Not a 4-3 with some hybridisation or a 3-4 with some hybridisation. A pure hybrid. I will rotate personnel a lot like i have done with Panthers last year in SML and Pats in VGFL.
I have already stated to vote on whether these are suitable as a 3-4 base - which they all are. But that is only at Brza's request. Please just vote on the players and not base the votes dependant on who else is playing in another position or however many other factors you are trying to factor in which is extremely over confusing the situation.
None of these requests are unsim or inconsistent with players you find on the base roster. How i use those players after that is up to me.
Thanks
I have already stated to vote on whether these are suitable as a 3-4 base - which they all are. But that is only at Brza's request. Please just vote on the players and not base the votes dependant on who else is playing in another position or however many other factors you are trying to factor in which is extremely over confusing the situation.
None of these requests are unsim or inconsistent with players you find on the base roster. How i use those players after that is up to me.
Thanks
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Re: Texans Hybrid
This is what I'm approving in a 3-4
3-4:
NT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins
DE: J.J. Watt, D.J. Reader, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Duke Ejiofor, Jadeveon Clowney, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Zach Cunningham, Benardrick McKinney, , Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole,
Otherwise for a a 4-3 I would approve this:
4-3:
DT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins, D.J. Reader,
DE: J.J. Watt, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr, Jadeveon Clowney, Duke Ejiofor
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Zach Cunningham, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole, Benardrick McKinney
Set the positions in Madden according to 3-4 or the 4-3.
3-4:
NT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins
DE: J.J. Watt, D.J. Reader, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Duke Ejiofor, Jadeveon Clowney, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Zach Cunningham, Benardrick McKinney, , Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole,
Otherwise for a a 4-3 I would approve this:
4-3:
DT: Darius Kilgo, Marcus Hardison, Carlos Watkins, D.J. Reader,
DE: J.J. Watt, Christian Covington, Robert Ayers Jr, Jadeveon Clowney, Duke Ejiofor
OLB: Whitney Mercilus, Zach Cunningham, Peter Kalambayi
MLB: Ben Heeney, Dylan Cole, Benardrick McKinney
Set the positions in Madden according to 3-4 or the 4-3.
Re: Texans Hybrid
I emphatically won't be changing schemes for training...just an fyi. Seems a lot of effort. I like my scheme and how it fitsdwevans wrote:People will be changing scheme all year for training. How confusing do you want to make it?
Ive listed where i will play people. Surely that matters most.
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Incidentally, I am now a 34, but in a nickel formation it has a 43 front look with the nose coming out, the 2 DEs move to DT and my OLBs play as DEs. Is this not close enough to a hybrid?
Just use formation subs and a hybrid playbook to suit your needs? dont need to have all the planets aligned
Just use formation subs and a hybrid playbook to suit your needs? dont need to have all the planets aligned
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