Colts position changes

Offensive line:

Peat LG -> LT
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25030336/attributes

Gilbert LT -> LG
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25030614/attributes

Kelly C -> RT
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25029287/attributes

Smith RT -> RG
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25029257/attributes

I'm playing hybrid style of defense and this is my plan how to utilize players:
3-4 NT: Onatolu, Jones, Johnson
3-4 DE: Onatolu, Jones, Johnson, Barnett, Day, Griffen
4-3 DT: Onatolu, Jones, Johnson, Barnett, Day, Griffen
4-3 DE: Barnett, Lewis, Turay, Basham, Griffen
3-4 OLB: Turay, Basham, Scarlett, Wallace, Rowe
4-3 LB: Davis, Gedeon, Rowe, Wallace, Leonard, Wilson
3-4 ILB: Davis, Gedeon, Rowe, Wallace, Leonard, Wilson
Nickel RDT: Onatolu, Jones, Johnson, Barnett
Nickel RDE:Lewis, Turay, Basham

Defense:
Lewis LE -> RE
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25029265/attributes

Barnett DT -> RE
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25030167/attributes

Onatolu LE -> DT
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25029095/attributes

Turay RE -> LE
http://daddyleagues.com/smleurope/player/25029267/attributes


@brza37 @warrior9674 @bishbosh1985 @LTown27ers

The OL changes are fine.

The hybrid D changes need some work in my opinion. If you're playing a hybrid then your 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE should be the same group of players. 3-4 DEs should be 4-3 DTs. 4-3 LBs should be 3-4 ILB. 

The position changes should be based on 3-4 because in a 4-3 you can use the OLBs at DE but not the other way around in Madden. So Lewis and Turay at 265 and 253 pounds should be changed to OLB so they can play OLB in 3-4 and DE in 4-3.

I'd suggest the following changes and the rest can stay as is:
OLBs: Lewis, Turay, Basham
MLB: Wallace, Gedeon, Wilson, Rowe

The first issue is then: I'm basing my position changes on 4-3 system and you are saying I should use 3-4.

I'm would say I'm 2/3 of time in 4-3 and 1/3 of time in 3-4 when in base defense during a game. And I'm 80% in 4-2 Nickel and 20% in 3-2 Dollar when in passing defense. For me it makes sense to use 4-3 base then. The reason why I like to go hybrid is since I like Pete Carroll based 4-3 with one big DE and big DT.

The second issue: I just can't move Lewis to LB with his 31 ZCV to OLB, neither did I declare anywhere I will use him outside DL.

I think there's a misconception about nickel34 somehow being a 43. Base43 or base34 are when there are 7 front defenders.

So if I'm understanding you correctly you run a base43 but with nickel4-2 look which madden already corrects for with the rushDT and rushDE depth chart irrelevant of scheme (olbs/de line up at the DE spot, top2 DL line up at DT).

If you use Lions or Patriots playbook then they feature both Base43 and Base34 formations, at which point you declare a hybrid. But you mention Seahawks which is a base43 scheme but with a LEO at the strongside linebacker.

I was thinking about "Legion of Boom" Seahawks 4-3 under scheme. In that case LEO was strongside DE which could play in 2-point stance (kinda OLB then) but not needed, depending on the play/strategy. 

On the strongside there was a big DE (Bryant in their case and Barnett for me). That was the reference I was making. And having 3 290+ guys on roster makes easy to run hybrid scheme if you have proper LEO (pass rusher with good BSH for base defense) and you can replace your run stopper OLB in 4-3 with pass rusher 3-4 OLB. I don't have proper LEO so I'm doing this with combination of Lewis (4-3 DE) and Turay (3-4 OLB). As well Rowe as 4-3 OLB and Basham 3-4 OLB.

So in perfect case without injuries my fronts are:

4-3 DE: Lewis, Barnett
4-3 DT: Jones/Johnson, Onatolu
4-3 MLB: Davis, Rowe, Gedeon

3-4 DE: Barnett, Onatolu/Jones/Johnson
3-4 DT: Onatolu/Jones/Johnson
3-4 OLB: Turay, Basham
3-4 ILB: Davis, Gedeon/Rowe

Nickel DE: Turay, Basham/Lewis
Nickel DT: Onatolu, Barnett

I think there's a misconception about nickel34 somehow being a 43. Base43 or base34 are when there are 7 front defenders. => I'm not sure what you meant here, but if you saying that many guys use Nickel as base defense, it is not me. I can't stop run with that and I'm one of the guys who uses base 4-3 or 3-4 defenses even on second and long against 3 WR sets (too many times I got burned on runs on 2nd and long against Hiero and Sam )

So if I'm understanding you correctly you run a base43 but with nickel4-2 look => not at all since I don't even understand what you mean here

I use hybrid since 4-3 base personel which I'm using can be easily converted to 3-4 with addition of one extra pass rusher (complementary OLB to LEO)

p.s. this is why I drafted Barnett: I needed big 4-3 5-tech DE (300 lbs) which can stop run and rush passer so I can play him as 4-3 DE (80 BSH), 3-4 DE (93 STR) and 4-2 Nickel DT (82 PMV, 75 FMV)

p.p.s I would like if everyone would need to declare their defenses in this way and give detailed description of usage like this, not just for position changes. Especially what happened last playoff when in playoff game Texans had positions under 4-3 scheme and 3-4 PB. Or now was in chat someone asking could he play 270 lbs as 3-4 DE...

We all know that positions matters most regarding player development, training scheme etc. And then depth charts, packages and manual substitutions in game have nothing to do with that...

Check out my Rams team, I play the Seahawks style 43 under with base43 Donald at LE, Ebukam at LEO.

Which playbook will you be using?

brza37 wrote:Which playbook will you be using?

Lions

Mattanite wrote:Check out my Rams team, I play the Seahawks style 43 under with base43 Donald at LE, Ebukam at LEO.

Then you understand why I consider my defense 4-3 with option to switch to 3-4.

I had the best combo in VGFL with Skins in season 2 before Preston Smith regressed as LEO:
https://www.daddyleagues.com/vgfl/player/25147718/attributes

And by drafting this guy after season 1 for big strongside DE:
https://www.daddyleagues.com/vgfl/player/27908202/attributes

This together with Kerrigan as pass rusher in 3-4 or Nickel was my perfect defense. Was number 1 seed in NFC... Good old times

Basically I can accept position changes as Brza suggested except Lewis which will never play LB.

But I think this is kind a weird that I will then setup my depth chart according to 4-3 positions since I play that way and I then use in-game subs for 3-4 defenses in hybrid PB. This means my players positions will be totally out of sync from my depth charts. And that by itself probably will screw my training points as well...

I will definitely not setup my depth-chart according to 3-4 since I don't wanna start game with setup which I prefer less. And we all know that formation subs are broken and they cause de-syncs.

GhettoBiggie wrote:I was thinking about "Legion of Boom" Seahawks 4-3 under scheme. In that case LEO was strongside DE which could play in 2-point stance (kinda OLB then) but not needed, depending on the play/strategy. 

On the strongside there was a big DE (Bryant in their case and Barnett for me). That was the reference I was making. And having 3 290+ guys on roster makes easy to run hybrid scheme if you have proper LEO (pass rusher with good BSH for base defense) and you can replace your run stopper OLB in 4-3 with pass rusher 3-4 OLB. I don't have proper LEO so I'm doing this with combination of Lewis (4-3 DE) and Turay (3-4 OLB). As well Rowe as 4-3 OLB and Basham 3-4 OLB.

So in perfect case without injuries my fronts are:

4-3 DE: Lewis, Barnett
4-3 DT: Jones/Johnson, Onatolu
4-3 MLB: Davis, Rowe, Gedeon

3-4 DE: Barnett, Onatolu/Jones/Johnson
3-4 DT: Onatolu/Jones/Johnson
3-4 OLB: Turay, Basham
3-4 ILB: Davis, Gedeon/Rowe

Nickel DE: Turay, Basham/Lewis
Nickel DT: Onatolu, Barnett

I think there's a misconception about nickel34 somehow being a 43. Base43 or base34 are when there are 7 front defenders. => I'm not sure what you meant here, but if you saying that many guys use Nickel as base defense, it is not me. I can't stop run with that and I'm one of the guys who uses base 4-3 or 3-4 defenses even on second and long against 3 WR sets (too many times I got burned on runs on 2nd and long against Hiero and Sam )

So if I'm understanding you correctly you run a base43 but with nickel4-2 look => not at all since I don't even understand what you mean here

I use hybrid since 4-3 base personel which I'm using can be easily converted to 3-4 with addition of one extra pass rusher (complementary OLB to LEO)

Playing those guys at those positions is ok and I'd approve that. But what I mean with changing positions based on 3-4 doesn't have to do with whether you play more 43 or 34. Its about the Madden restrictions on formation subs. If you mix and match the position changes you could possibly be playing 250 pound guys like Turay at 3-technique in base 3-4 sets which isn't allowed. We want to prevent that so if you set Turay and Lewis' position to OLB then you can still formation sub them into 43 DE which would be ok but not 34 DE.

Also the Lions PB only has 2 4-3 formations. So you'd just need to sub in Lewis at DE and Turay and Basham out for 2 formations. The game would use your rush packages for other formations and 3-4 has 3 formations which would be correct. Either way you will have to make some formation subs or in-game subs.

For XP it has also been easier for pass rushers to meet dev requirements at OLB than it has been at DE this year so it could be benefcial that way too.

But I'm only one opinion, maybe the other commishes see it like you and will approve.

Long conversation soory for the late response

I see it like brza. You can handle it easy with Manuel subs